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== On fundamental nondeterminism and the multiverse sort of existing ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our world is not deterministic. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So far physics is understood today … &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
– quantum randomness is truly random, an effect without a cause &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
– chaotic systems can amplify very small differences in initial conditions to lead to completely different outcomes &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Evidence pointing to nondeterminism ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Quantum randomness has been proven to not be about merely not knowing a pre-existing state. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
At least local hidden variables have been disproven by the Bell experiment. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
And &amp;quot;local&amp;quot; is by now quite far reaching. Given cosmic bell experiments performed in 2018. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Well, There still might be global hidden variables beyond that. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But this has neither been proven nor disproven. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Absence of hidden variables can only ever be proven up to a finite distance in spacetime. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So (assuming physical reality is like boundless just like math) global hidden variables will never be entirely disprovable. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Even with hypothetical hidden global variables found there&amp;#039;d still be nondeterminism backdoors left ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As things stand today it seems highly unlikely, but if there hypothetically  &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
would be found a common root cause for all of quantum randomness, &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
that is it turns out that quantum randomness is acting like a PRNG (pseudo random number generator) &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
due to global hidden variables then still where does &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
this PRNG come from then (in implementation and execution)? &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Finding a single hyper-deterministic origin for everything can only shift the problem ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One can only ever shift the problem of a definite origin outwards &amp;amp; backwards in spacetime. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A definite origin that would remove alternate pathways in the case of the supposedly nondeterministic wave collapse. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A definite origin that would hard disprove the sort-of-existence of alternate branches of reality. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
One can never find the one ultimate origin that determines the whole history of the universe deterministically. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
One can never find a point so far back that it leaves no split whatsoever to alternate realities. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
A case against infinite hyperdeterminism. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Questioning finiteness of physics ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, interpreting the [[big bang as spontaneous demixing event]] that provided only a finite amount of entropy drop in terms of bits &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
one might assume physics a being finite (unlike math, which is proven boundless with Gödels incompleteness theorems). &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Then again what about the level of demixing being in a quantum superposition. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Or in a generalized simulation hypothesis the universe being a superposition of simulations of locally consistent outputs. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That would remove the definite finiteness due to limited entropy drop in terms of countable bits again. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The braided river of fate ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is just a mental image analogy that may or may not be correct and or useful for whatever. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The rivers channels are attractors for sequences of events that are most likely to happen. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== The basic idea ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wide streams are more likely to be trodden paths of fate while small channels are less likely trodden paths. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Crossing between streams and channels is only occasionally possible and in rich Patterns. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note the indicated fractality. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Each stream and channel is itself composed of a braided river. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
There may be several levels of fractality. Not just two. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Concrete example interpretations ===&lt;br /&gt;
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One interpretation might be the course of galaxy formation as a very large scale &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
And the course of human actions at a rather small scale. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But vastly different interpretations might be possible. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Including interpretations in reversible or purely functional computing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Computing with bits at the smallest scale perhaps making the braided river into a discrete graph. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
There are the above questionable finiteness of physics concerns though. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Many pasts for a single future ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Note that there is not only … &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
– many futures to a past but also &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
– many pasts to a future. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That is an aspect that many might miss. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Still due to the arrow of time there is some necessary asymmetry &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
that is not captured in the symmetric braided river image. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So it must be considered a more local zoomin. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Degree of existence of future histories that require alternate pasts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In this our classically behaving macroscopic universe &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
only one path can be observed so we can only ever flow down the streams and channels. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In analogy to the light-cone there is a more general topological dependency cone. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The unreachable parts are kind of not even existent as potential futures. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Only reachable in an alternate universe that had a very similar but not identical initial state. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== In macroscopic fully decohered reality ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well [[inverse quantum isolation]] may be an interesting though experiment that may allow some access to  &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
otherwise unreachable parallel realities.&lt;br /&gt;
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== At whole universe scale ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Poincaret recurrence]] to alternate versions of our universe is rather elusive and un(dis)provable.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== In quantum computers ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Things are quite a bit more concrete hard and practical at the scale of quantum computers. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Computers that draw their power from the sort-of-existente of locally alternate realities. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
More a graph than a braided river. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Fractal iteration depth as nesting level of disruption of quantum entanglement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The iteration depth of self similar fractality in the braided river images &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
corresponds to the nesting depth of fully entangled superpositions. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That is if a part of a quantum computing circuit is wave collapsed relative to &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
an other part of the quantum computing circuit but the whole system &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
is sill kept fully non-collapsed relative to macroscopic fully decohered reality &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
then its at least one level deep in the fractality. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Related ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[The multiverse]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Poincaret recurrence]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Big bang as spontaneous demixing event]]&lt;br /&gt;
––––&lt;br /&gt;
Using [[annotated lambda diagrams]] to peek into the multiverse of possible execution trajectories &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
withing a codebase. For all of runtime, compiletime, edittime combined! &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== In fiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* Steins Gate – The attractor field&lt;br /&gt;
* Endless Eight – Minute divergences in an otherwise (to rather painfully level) unchanging story-line&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Apm</name></author>
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