On the particle wave duality - Revision history

Apm: /* An alternate better naming? */ bold

2022-10-21T07:06:10Z

An alternate better naming?: bold

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	Should "wave" even be part of the name? <br>		Should "wave" even be part of the name? <br>

	More thinking needed. <br>		'''More thinking needed.''' <br>
	'''Suggestions welcome'''. <br>		'''Suggestions welcome.''' <br>

	{{todo\|Find a better term for wave particle duality.}} <br>		{{todo\|Find a better term for wave particle duality.}} <br>

	Even if finding a good one, ~~<br>~~		Even if finding a good one,
	promoting its usage seems like an impossibly tall order.		promoting its usage seems like an impossibly tall order.

Apm: /* Second quantization rather than spacial localization */ added subheadline === An alternate better naming? === and extended on contents

2022-10-21T07:04:54Z

Second quantization rather than spacial localization: added subheadline === An alternate better naming? === and extended on contents

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	Second quantization meaning that the boundary conditions do not lie in 3D space but		Second quantization meaning that the boundary conditions do not lie in 3D space but
	instead in the dimensions that carry fields (to check).		instead in the dimensions that carry fields (to check).

			=== An alternate better naming? ===

	The association of "wave-particle duality" with "spacial point particles" is probably mostly due to history and choice of naming.		The association of "wave-particle duality" with "spacial point particles" is probably mostly due to history and choice of naming.
	What about better alternatives names?		What about better alternatives names?
	* "wave quantum duality" ... seems bad due to very likely incomprehension due to confusion with first quantization		* "wave quantum duality" ... seems bad due to very likely incomprehension due to confusion with first quantization
	* "wave chunk duality" ... could work		* "wave chunk duality" ... could work maybe?

			Should "wave" even be part of the name? <br>

			More thinking needed. <br>
			'''Suggestions welcome'''. <br>

			{{todo\|Find a better term for wave particle duality.}} <br>

			Even if finding a good one, <br>
			promoting its usage seems like an impossibly tall order.

	=== Differences for quantization into particles ===		=== Differences for quantization into particles ===

Apm: /* Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior */ added note on dispersion

2022-10-21T06:52:40Z

Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior: added note on dispersion

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	If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then		If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then
	(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.		(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.
	The low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a solid macroscale sand grain particle when passing through a slit.		The low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a shot solid macroscale sand grain particle when passing through a slit.

			Plus the initially strongly localized wave package will disperse.
			That is: It will widen due to different contained wavelengts moving at different speeds. A consequence of electrons not being massless.

	= Misc =		= Misc =

Apm: /* Misc */ added wikitodo

2022-10-21T06:46:30Z

Misc: added wikitodo

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	== Waves as rays ==		== Waves as rays ==

			{{wikitodo\|Some repwtition here. Maybe to merge.}}

	Given the wavelength of photons or electrons is short enough compared to features of a shadowing screen,		Given the wavelength of photons or electrons is short enough compared to features of a shadowing screen,

Apm: /* Second quantization rather than spacial localization */ comes => coming

2022-10-21T06:44:34Z

Second quantization rather than spacial localization: comes => coming

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	Where else does the quantization come from then? <br>		Where else does the quantization come from then? <br>
	Quantization is always ~~comes~~ out of waves with imposed boundary conditions.		Quantization is always coming out of waves with imposed boundary conditions.
	But these boundary conditions do not necessarily lie in 3D space.		But these boundary conditions do not necessarily lie in 3D space.
	This leads to second quantization.		This leads to second quantization.

Apm: /* Differences for quantization into particles */

2022-10-21T06:41:41Z

Differences for quantization into particles

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	* Electrons only come in one size of charge and mass.		* Electrons only come in one size of charge and mass.
	* Photons can come with any energy desired.		* Photons can come with any energy desired.<br> As frequency is not quantized.

	= Related =		= Related =

Apm: /* Differences for quantization into particles */

2022-08-18T08:18:18Z

Differences for quantization into particles

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	Quantization of photons and electrons as individual particles is very different. <br>		Quantization of photons and electrons as individual particles is very different. <br>
	Quantization of energy levels of electrons in the ~~sells~~ of atoms is even more different (first quantization).		Quantization of energy levels of electrons in the shells of atoms is even more different (first quantization).

	* Electrons only come in one size of charge and mass.		* Electrons only come in one size of charge and mass.
	* Photons can come with any energy desired.		* Photons can come with any energy desired.

	= Related =		= Related =

Apm: /* Waves as rays */

2022-08-18T08:14:51Z

Waves as rays

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	Given the wavelength of photons or electrons is short enough compared to features of a shadowing screen,		Given the wavelength of photons or electrons is short enough compared to features of a shadowing screen,
	there will be cast a straight-ray-shadow that matches to what would expect from point like particles.		there will be cast a straight-ray-shadow that matches to what would expect from point like particles.
	The "particles" here can be highly ~~doe~~-localized waves here though.		The "particles" here can be highly de-localized waves here though.

	Approximating point like particles with highly localized wave packets one necessarily gets widely distributed impulse.		Approximating point like particles with highly localized wave packets one necessarily gets widely distributed impulse.

Apm: /* Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior */

2022-08-18T08:13:22Z

Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior

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	If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then		If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then
	(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.		(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.
	The low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a solid macroscale sand grain particle.		The low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a solid macroscale sand grain particle when passing through a slit.

	= Misc =		= Misc =

Apm: /* Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior */

2022-08-18T08:12:38Z

Why matter wave packets (in free space) make no good particle-ray like behavior

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	If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then		If an electrons is shot onto the double slit as a strongly localized wave package (not happening by accident), then
	(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.		(due to the Heisenberg principle) it necessarily has a wide distribution of impulses, speeds and corresponding wavelengths.
	~~the~~ low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a solid macroscale sand grain particle.		The low frequency parts will act like a wave the high frequency parts like a solid macroscale sand grain particle.

	= Misc =		= Misc =