Naive groupings as dumbed down functions - Revision history

Apm at 08:40, 5 May 2024

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Apm: /* What works, what doesn't? */

2023-10-11T11:09:36Z

What works, what doesn't?

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	Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this "naive groupings as dumbed down functions" limitation.<br>		Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this "naive groupings as dumbed down functions" limitation.<br>

	Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.		Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys that can't be opened. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.

	[[Programmatic 3D modelling]] can avoid the limitation to "naive groups" to a large degree. <br>		[[Programmatic 3D modelling]] can avoid the limitation to "naive groups" to a large degree. <br>

Apm: /* What works, what doesn't? */

2023-10-11T11:07:57Z

What works, what doesn't?

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	== What works, what doesn't? ==		== What works, what doesn't? ==

	Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this "~~Naive~~ groupings as dumbed down functions" limitation.<br>		Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this "naive groupings as dumbed down functions" limitation.<br>

	Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.		Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.

Apm: /* What works, what doesn't? */

2023-10-11T11:07:44Z

What works, what doesn't?

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	== What works, what doesn't? ==		== What works, what doesn't? ==

	Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this limitation.<br>		Pretty much all mainstream visual [[point and click 3D modelling software]] fall foul of this "Naive groupings as dumbed down functions" limitation.<br>

	Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.		Side-note / suspicion: Typically closed source SW is not suitable for systems on the scale of [[gem-gum factories]] (as can be seen in most of our SW compilers being open source today). Even if closed source SW get ahead the short run, over the very long run it does not prevail. Depending too much on closed source for truly large scale systems that are developed over the course of many decades can lead to severe regressions. So be wary of new shiny toys. They may break easily just when you've started to really depend on them critically.

Apm: /* Beyond the geometric meaning all-together */ improvements

2023-10-11T11:07:02Z

Beyond the geometric meaning all-together: improvements

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	=== Beyond the geometric meaning all-together ===		=== Beyond the geometric meaning all-together ===

	Well, this becomes just a "normal" function for organizing things long before anything becomes actual geometry.<br>		Well, this seems to becomes just a "normal" function for organizing things long before anything becomes actual geometry.<br>
	"Function" here is meant in the sense of a function in purely functional / denotative programming languages. <br>		"Function" here is meant in the sense of a function in purely functional / denotative programming languages. <br>
	~~Languages~~ that say "what is" not "what to do". ~~That is~~ needed in order for to mathematical substitution to work.		Referentially transparent languages that say "what is" not "what to do". <br>
			These are needed in order for to mathematical substitution to work. <br>
			Well suited for 3D modeling.

			An issue is that a lot of existing 2D- and 3D- modelling software provides us with <br>
			the "anti-feature" the "hard wall" of not allowing for more different arguments and operations on their naive groupings. <br>
			Related: [[Grouping of geometries]] & [[Gaps in software]] <br>

	'''If pseudo-groups are just functions then doesn't this make pseudo-groups pointless?''' <br>		'''If pseudo-groups are just functions then doesn't this make pseudo-groups pointless?''' <br>
	Well, no.		Well, no. Pure functions (in the few cases we have them for programmatic 3D modelling) still come <br>
	~~The issue is that a lot of existing 2D- and 3D- modelling software provides us with <br>~~		– without [[direct manipulation]] (no point & click operations flowing back to code that remains human readable) <br>
	~~the "anti-feature" the "hard wall" of not allowing for more different arguments and operations on them. <small>(Related: [[Gaps in software]])</small> <br>~~		– without advanced edit back-propagation options to older usage contexts like … <br>
	~~While denotative~~ functions (in the few cases we have them for programmatic 3D modelling) still come without [[direct manipulation]].		sending a mere "newer-version-is-available" notification and providing easy undo for too back-propagations that went too far as one finds in retrospect. <br>
			'''Basically functions as in today's programming languages are too weak in version management to be good for pseudo-groups.''' <br>
			Version management in general needs vast improvements (as of 2023).

	== What works, what doesn't? ==		== What works, what doesn't? ==

Apm: /* Neighbor pseudo-group dependence */ last minor edit fix was wrong. Changed it overall to be much more comprehensible

2023-10-11T10:47:34Z

Neighbor pseudo-group dependence: last minor edit fix was wrong. Changed it overall to be much more comprehensible

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	=== Neighbor pseudo-group dependence ===		=== Neighbor pseudo-group dependence ===

	~~Depending on the neighboring (that is: logically linked to) pseudo~~-groups can change in complex ways		Pseudo-groups can change in complex ways depending on the neighboring pseudo-groups.
			Neighboring means logically linked here.
	* automatic adjustment of physical surface interdigitation to match up – See: [[Connection method]], [[Connection mechanism]]		* automatic adjustment of physical surface interdigitation to match up – See: [[Connection method]], [[Connection mechanism]]
	* automatic adjustment of internal makeup to match up in functionality		* automatic adjustment of internal makeup to match up in functionality
			* …

	=== Lifting the constrain of geometric disjunctness ===		=== Lifting the constrain of geometric disjunctness ===

Apm: /* Neighbor pseudo-group dependence */ removed duplicate repeated word

2023-10-11T10:44:20Z

Neighbor pseudo-group dependence: removed duplicate repeated word

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	=== Neighbor pseudo-group dependence ===		=== Neighbor pseudo-group dependence ===

	Depending on the neighboring (that is: logically linked to) ~~pseudo-groups~~ pseudo-groups can change in complex ways		Depending on the neighboring (that is: logically linked to) pseudo-groups can change in complex ways
	* automatic adjustment of physical surface interdigitation to match up – See: [[Connection method]], [[Connection mechanism]]		* automatic adjustment of physical surface interdigitation to match up – See: [[Connection method]], [[Connection mechanism]]
	* automatic adjustment of internal makeup to match up in functionality		* automatic adjustment of internal makeup to match up in functionality

Apm: /* Related */

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	== Related ==		== Related ==

	* [[Grouping of geometries]]		* '''[[Grouping of geometries]]'''
	* Programmatic modelling tools like e.g. [[OpenSCAD]] more or less evading the problem.		* Programmatic modelling tools like e.g. [[OpenSCAD]] more or less evading the problem.

Apm: /* Effects of this constraint (more concrete) – What is the difference when lifting it? */

2023-10-11T10:42:26Z

Effects of this constraint (more concrete) – What is the difference when lifting it?

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	the "language" of human-computer 3D modelling interfaces.		the "language" of human-computer 3D modelling interfaces.

	== Effects of this constraint (more concrete) – What is the difference when lifting it? ==		== Effects of this constraint (more concrete) – What is the difference when lifting this constraint? ==

	With lifting this limitation "proper groups" that are not dumbed down (let's call them pseudo-groups here) <br>		With lifting this limitation "proper groups" that are not dumbed down (let's call them pseudo-groups here) <br>

Apm: Up: '''Software trouble pages'''

2023-07-11T11:18:21Z

Up: '''Software trouble pages'''

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			Up: '''[[Software trouble pages]]'''

	As of time of writing (2021) few if any people seem to realize that naive groupings in 2D- or 3D- modelling software (with visual [[direct manipulation]] interface)<br>		As of time of writing (2021) few if any people seem to realize that naive groupings in 2D- or 3D- modelling software (with visual [[direct manipulation]] interface)<br>