Lucid dreaming - Revision history

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	'''Not damaging but rather healthy actually:''' <br>		'''Not damaging but rather healthy actually:''' <br>
	While lucid dreams do not serve [[the purpose of dreams]]		While lucid dreams do not serve [[the purpose of dreams]]
	in the sende of data-compression and subconscious self-introspection		in the sende of [[data-compression]] and subconscious self-introspection
	they do not subtract from that. Lucid dreams only ever make up a small fraction of the total dream time		they do not subtract from that. Lucid dreams only ever make up a small fraction of the total dream time
	(whether dreams are remembered or not every healthy person dreams).		(whether dreams are remembered or not every healthy person dreams).
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	* (1) It is pretty darn hard to learn.		* (1) It is pretty darn hard to learn.
	* (2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain in terms of dream time.		* (2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain in terms of dream time.
	* (3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. <br>(Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time. – See [[the purpose of dreams]]).		* (3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. <br>(Maybe the brain wants back its [[data compression]] time. – See [[the purpose of dreams]]).

	No, lucid dreaming can't be induced by drugs. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams. <br>There are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here.		No, lucid dreaming can't be induced by drugs. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams. <br>There are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here.

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	=== Avoid any and all distractions ===		=== Avoid any and all distractions ===

	Doing it properly means doing it instantly after waking up without distractions		Doing it properly means doing it instantly after waking up without distractions.
	On paper in dim light. Leave one eye closed if you want.		Doing it on paper in dim light. Leave one eye closed if you want.
	Smartphones are a distraction poison in this regard.		Smartphones are a distraction poison in this regard.
	Nothing against smartphones. Just grab it after the journal is done.		Nothing against smartphones. Just grab it after the journal is done.

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Not usable as drug – Not inducible via drugs

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	* (1) It is pretty darn hard to learn.		* (1) It is pretty darn hard to learn.
	* (2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain in terms of dream time.		* (2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain in terms of dream time.
	* (3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. <br>(Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time~~: see~~ [[the purpose of dreams]]).		* (3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. <br>(Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time. – See [[the purpose of dreams]]).

	No, lucid dreaming can't be induced by drugs. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams. <br>There are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here.		No, lucid dreaming can't be induced by drugs. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams. <br>There are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here.

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In brief points: massive improvements

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	== In brief points ==		== In brief points ==

	* No, there are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams.		=== Not usable as drug – Not inducible via drugs ===
	* No, this can't be abused as a drug. <br>(1) It is pretty hard to learn. <br>(2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain per dream. <br>(3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. (Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time: see [[the purpose of dreams]]).

	* Yes no one but the one dreaming can (directly) ~~gain~~ from this. Making some people frown on other people who are talking about this. <br>But then again the practitioners mental growth can benefit others.		No, this can't be abused as a drug. <br>
			* (0) The necessary preparations are rather healthy: (plenty sleep, no drugs, dream journal helping self introspection)
			* (1) It is pretty darn hard to learn.
			* (2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain in terms of dream time.
			* (3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. <br>(Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time: see [[the purpose of dreams]]).

			No, lucid dreaming can't be induced by drugs. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams. <br>There are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here.

			=== Misc ===

			* Yes no one but the one dreaming can (directly) gains from this. <br>Making some people frown on other people who are talking about this. <br>But then again the practitioners eventual mental growth can benefit others.

	* In regards of intangibility lucid dreaming is like radioactivity or pollen allergies before these things where widely known to exist. <br>Since unaffected people (the majority) do not experience it they are oblivious of it. Often not believing in despite hard (but abstract) evidence.		* In regards of intangibility lucid dreaming is like radioactivity or pollen allergies before these things where widely known to exist. <br>Since unaffected people (the majority) do not experience it they are oblivious of it. Often not believing in despite hard (but abstract) evidence.

	* In regards to effect on health its the polar opposite to exposure to radiation or pollen. It is: <br>(1) voluntary ~~and~~ <br>(2) has ~~absolutely~~ no detrimental effects~~. None have ever been reported.~~		* In regards to effect on health its the polar opposite to exposure to radiation or pollen. It is: <br>(1) completely voluntary not unavoidable or prone to accident<br>(2) has no known detrimental effects

	== Related ==		== Related ==

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   Anyone having the opportunity to learn lucid dreaming (old enough and time enough) should do so.
-  It's an experience well worth the effort and there is zero risk involved.
+  It's an experience well worth the effort and there is no risk involved.
 Lucid dreaming is when one consciously gains control of ones dream with full access to functions of the mind that are normally only available when awake. In case the reader wonders, lucid dreaming is real and proven. It is repeatably testable via previously agreed on eye movement patterns that a test person makes when in a sleep state with brain waves that are known to only occur when people are dreaming.
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 Lucid dreams (especially first ones) are so intense that they are often mistaken with supernatural or religious stuff - ahem nonsense.
-That description might prompt the impression that lucid could be dangerous like drugs. <br>
+== Dangerous, healthy or neither? ==
-Thery are not. Lucid dreams are hard to attain and once attained very fragile. <br>
-Also the brain is incredible creative in ways to fool the dreamer back into a normal dream again. <br>
+That description in the introduction might prompt the impression that lucid dreaming could be dangerous like drugs. <br>
-Especially after longer longer practice of lucid dreaming.
+Might prompt the impression that they could be addictive and damaging. <br>
 * No, there are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams.

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	Also lucid dreaming is something that cannot be mistaken with normal dreams. Everyone who ever had one, including the writer of these lines, knows it was not a normal dream. Ones first lucid dream can be a world-view shattering experience. There are exploding emotions of fascination freedom and weightlessness. In the first such experience the emotion, being so strong and uncontrollable, tend to shoot one right back out of this paradise, which causes even more complementary emotions like feeling totally robbed and too mightless for (futile) anger.		Also lucid dreaming is something that cannot be mistaken with normal dreams. Everyone who ever had one, including the writer of these lines, knows it was not a normal dream. Ones first lucid dream can be a world-view shattering experience. There are exploding emotions of fascination freedom and weightlessness. In the first such experience the emotion, being so strong and uncontrollable, tend to shoot one right back out of this paradise, which causes even more complementary emotions like feeling totally robbed and too mightless for (futile) anger.
	Lucid dreams (especially first ones) are so intense that they are often mistaken with supernatural or religious stuff - ahem nonsense.		Lucid dreams (especially first ones) are so intense that they are often mistaken with supernatural or religious stuff - ahem nonsense.

			That description might prompt the impression that lucid could be dangerous like drugs. <br>
			Thery are not. Lucid dreams are hard to attain and once attained very fragile. <br>
			Also the brain is incredible creative in ways to fool the dreamer back into a normal dream again. <br>
			Especially after longer longer practice of lucid dreaming.

	* No, there are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams.		* No, there are absolutely no substances (drugs) are involved here. <br>Many drugs would even likely destroy the capacity for lucid dreams.

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	* [[The purpose of dreams]]		* [[The purpose of dreams]]
			* [[Richard Feynman]] – he did some experimentation on that – there are some notes om that in the book "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman"

	== External links ==		== External links ==

	* Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream lucid dreaming]		* Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream lucid dreaming]

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	* [[The purpose of dreams]]		* [[The purpose of dreams]]

			== External links ==

			* Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream lucid dreaming]

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	* No, this can't be abused as a drug. <br>(1) It is pretty hard to learn. <br>(2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain per dream. <br>(3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. (Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time: see [[the purpose of dreams]]).		* No, this can't be abused as a drug. <br>(1) It is pretty hard to learn. <br>(2) Lucid dreams are pretty hard to sustain per dream. <br>(3) The capability for lucid dreaming is pretty hard to sustain on the long run. <br>It seems the brain tries to trick ones consciousness back into normal dreaming with increasingly devious tricks. Almost like an arms race. (Maybe the brain wants back its data compression time: see [[the purpose of dreams]]).

	* Yes no one but the one dreaming can (directly) gain from this. Making some frown on people who are talking about this. <br>But then again the practitioners mental growth can benefit others.		* Yes no one but the one dreaming can (directly) gain from this. Making some people frown on other people who are talking about this. <br>But then again the practitioners mental growth can benefit others.

	* In regards of intangibility lucid dreaming is like radioactivity or pollen allergies before these things where widely known to exist. <br>Since unaffected people (the majority) do not experience it they are oblivious of it. Often not believing in despite hard (but abstract) evidence.		* In regards of intangibility lucid dreaming is like radioactivity or pollen allergies before these things where widely known to exist. <br>Since unaffected people (the majority) do not experience it they are oblivious of it. Often not believing in despite hard (but abstract) evidence.

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	Offtopic to APM<br>		Offtopic to [[Main Page\|APM]]<br>
	This article is '''NOT''' speculative.		This article is '''NOT''' speculative.