Interplanetary atomically precise von Neumann probes - Revision history

Apm: /* (2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"? */ fixed link

2023-07-02T14:37:02Z

(2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"?: fixed link

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	This tracks off-topic. <br>		This tracks off-topic. <br>
	There's room for a lot of philosophical pondering here.		There's room for a lot of philosophical pondering here.
	* it will likely be a long stretch before "we" (as humanity) or something other being intelligent and conscious arrives in the [[gem-gum ~~rainforrest~~ world]]		* it will likely be a long stretch before "we" (as humanity) or something other being intelligent and conscious arrives in the [[gem-gum rainforest world]]
	* once most of the physical space runs out there might be increased focus in explorations in the virtual space of knowledge		* once most of the physical space runs out there might be increased focus in explorations in the virtual space of knowledge
	* some argue for finding happiness in maintenance – others say stagnation is the precursor of death		* some argue for finding happiness in maintenance – others say stagnation is the precursor of death

Apm: /* Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out */

2021-05-21T10:57:19Z

Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out

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	* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.		* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.
	Lastly as if really everything goes wrong: <br>		Lastly as if really everything goes wrong: <br>
	~~Already~~ mentioned [[grey goo\|~~Grey~~-goo like nanobots]] can't jump asteroids on their own in any reasonable time-frame.		As already mentioned [[grey goo\|grey-goo like nanobots]] can't jump asteroids on their own in any reasonable time-frame.

	== Related ==		== Related ==

Apm: /* Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out */ reformulations & added movie suggestion

2021-05-21T10:56:43Z

Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out: reformulations & added movie suggestion

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	What about a combination of the two then? <br>		What about a combination of the two then? <br>
	Smart replicating probes bringing dumb nano-replicators. Wouldn't that be the perfect storm? <br>		Smart replicating probes bringing dumb nano-replicators. Wouldn't that be the perfect storm? <br>
	Likely answer: The highly intelligent ~~IAPVNPs~~ will battle each other to not do that once it becomes an apparent problem. <br>		Likely answer: The highly intelligent gem-gum vNPs will likely battle each other to not do that once it becomes an apparent problem. <br>
	First digitally and only if that fails physically.		First digitally and only if that fails physically. <br>
			That would be good material for a special effect laden SciFi movie I guess.

	~~And it's not too late once~~ it becomes an apparent problem because:		Once it becomes an apparent problem it will likely be not be too already too late because:
	* As already mentioned: [[grey goo\|Grey-goo like nanobots]] can't jump asteroids on their own in any reasonable time-frame.
	* Restrictions imposed by power sources are a strong limiter.		* Restrictions imposed by power sources are a strong limiter.
	These power source restrictions include:		These power source restrictions include:
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	* Nuclear reactors are necessarily macroscale devices which brings in the space for higher intelligence again.		* Nuclear reactors are necessarily macroscale devices which brings in the space for higher intelligence again.
	* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.		* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.
			Lastly as if really everything goes wrong: <br>
			Already mentioned [[grey goo\|Grey-goo like nanobots]] can't jump asteroids on their own in any reasonable time-frame.

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Apm: /* Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out */ added second part of Peter Diamandis' "deceptive => disruptive" pattern

2021-05-21T10:52:16Z

Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out: added second part of Peter Diamandis' "deceptive => disruptive" pattern

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	== Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out ==		== Why mostly mindless nano-replicators "infecting" the solar system likely won't work out ==

	Mindless self-replicating nanobots as a fine dust on their own would be fully obliterated by space radiation when crossing the interplanetary chasms. ~~<br>~~		Mindless self-replicating nanobots as a fine dust on their own would be fully obliterated by space radiation when crossing the interplanetary chasms. Hitching a ride buried in asteroids the universe would likely die of age before exponential growth comes out of its deceptive phase and going into its disruptive phase.
	Hitching a ride buried in asteroids the universe would likely die of age before exponential growth comes out of its deceptive phase (to check). ~~<br>~~		(To check). In any case it does not matter since at least they will be over- and outperformed by orders of magnitude by highly intelligent macroscopic von Neumann probes.
	In any case it does not matter since at least they will be over- and outperformed by orders of magnitude by highly intelligent macroscopic von Neumann probes. ~~<br>~~

	What about a combination of the two then? <br>		What about a combination of the two then? <br>

Apm: /* (2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"? */ some cleanup and improvement

2021-05-21T10:49:29Z

(2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"?: some cleanup and improvement

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	There's room for a lot of philosophical pondering here.		There's room for a lot of philosophical pondering here.
	* it will likely be a long stretch before "we" (as humanity) or something other being intelligent and conscious arrives in the [[gem-gum rainforrest world]]		* it will likely be a long stretch before "we" (as humanity) or something other being intelligent and conscious arrives in the [[gem-gum rainforrest world]]
	* increased focus explorations in the virtual space of knowledge ~~once most of the physical space runs out~~		* once most of the physical space runs out there might be increased focus in explorations in the virtual space of knowledge
	* finding happiness in maintenance??		* some argue for finding happiness in maintenance – others say stagnation is the precursor of death
	* expansions beyond the solar system		* eventually some time expansions beyond the solar system may become feasible
	* unpredictable discoveries that change everything		* and of course there always was and there always will be the possibility for completely unpredictable discoveries that change everything
	* ...		* ...

Apm: /* (2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"? */

2021-05-21T10:45:22Z

(2) Diversity – Potential for a good "accident"?

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	Regarding the diversity as a consequence of complex problem solving: <br>		Regarding the diversity as a consequence of complex problem solving: <br>
	In some sense we would actually want a runaway "accident". <br>		In some sense we would actually want a runaway "accident". <br>
	That is if it looks like a solar system wide diversity rich park playground for humans and all of what we value. <br>		That is: If it looks like a solar system wide diversity rich park playground for humans and all of what we value. <br>

	As an analogy this is what eventually (after a few not unsevere hiccups) happened in the "accident" that is now called life here on Earth. <br>		As an analogy this is what eventually (after a few not unsevere hiccups) happened in the "accident" that is now called life here on Earth. <br>

Apm: /* Present challenges and consequences */ Present => Existing – making sure it's not misinterpreted as a reference to "in the present time"

2021-05-21T10:43:33Z

Present challenges and consequences: Present => Existing – making sure it's not misinterpreted as a reference to "in the present time"

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	'''"gem-gum von Neumann probes"'''		'''"gem-gum von Neumann probes"'''

	== ~~Present~~ challenges and consequences ==		== Existing challenges and consequences ==

	"Interplanetary atomically precise von Neumann probes (IAPVNPs)" <br>		"Interplanetary atomically precise von Neumann probes (IAPVNPs)" <br>

Apm: added name suggestion "gem-gum- von Neumann probe"

2021-05-21T10:34:10Z

added name suggestion "gem-gum- von Neumann probe"

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	A good name for this concept seems to be: <br>		A good name for this concept seems to be: <br>
	'''"Interplanetary atomically precise von Neumann probes (IAPVNPs)"'''		'''"Interplanetary atomically precise von Neumann probes (IAPVNPs)"''' <br>
			Shorter and catchier opition for a name might be: <br>
			'''"gem-gum von Neumann probes"'''

	== Present challenges and consequences ==		== Present challenges and consequences ==

Apm: /* Related / added link to Reproduction hexagon

2021-05-21T10:31:28Z

Related: added link to * Reproduction hexagon

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	* [[Grey goo horror fable]]		* [[Grey goo horror fable]]
			* [[Reproduction hexagon]]

Apm: added link to: * Grey goo horror fable

2021-05-21T10:30:50Z

added link to: * Grey goo horror fable

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	* Nuclear reactors are necessarily macroscale devices which brings in the space for higher intelligence again.		* Nuclear reactors are necessarily macroscale devices which brings in the space for higher intelligence again.
	* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.		* Harnessing geothermal power (on present on larger bodies like Ceres) would be a feat requiring both <br>a lot of higher intelligence and macroscale devices.

			== Related ==

			* [[Grey goo horror fable]]