Feynman path - Revision history

Apm: * Oxidation * Metals

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			* [[Metals]]

Apm: moved the section about naming down so == Modifying the proposal == directly follows == Proposals as-is infeasability == now

2022-08-05T10:22:10Z

moved the section about naming down so == Modifying the proposal == directly follows == Proposals as-is infeasability == now

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 Also it is bad enough to have the problem of technology recreation one time and <br>
 not a second time in a supercharged version.
 == Why named "Feynman" path? ==
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 {{Wikitodo|Put a citation of Richard Feynman's exact words here. It's in (part 1) of the external links below.}}
 == External links ==

Apm: /* Proposals as-is infeasability */ massive extension

2022-08-05T10:20:09Z

Proposals as-is infeasability: massive extension

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 == Proposals as-is infeasability ==
-Practically this is not possible because of:
+=== Metals and subtractive manufacturing become unsuitable ===
-* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.
-* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.
+Saw blades and drills (chipping subtractive manufacturing more generally) quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales. This is because ...
 * Metals cease to be a good engineering material when going to smaller scales – See: [[Pure metals and metal alloys]]
-* Subtractive manufacturing ceases to be a good method when going to smaller scales.<br>Atomic granulatity and use of hard ceramic like nonmetallic materials are unsuitable for chipping.
+* Atomic granularity and use of hard ceramic-like nonmetallic materials are unsuitable for chipping.
 This approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>

Apm: Added more reasons for infeasibility

2022-08-05T09:46:44Z

Added more reasons for infeasibility

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	scale down manufacturing machinery containing saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.		scale down manufacturing machinery containing saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.

	The idea involves:		'''The idea involves:'''
	* making smaller machinery with bigger machinery and then		* making smaller machinery with bigger machinery and then
	* use that smaller machinery to make even smaller machinery		* use that smaller machinery to make even smaller machinery
	* take a few steps until you arrive at the atomic scale		* take a few steps until you arrive at the atomic scale

	All that telepresence manipulator style. <br>		All that telepresence manipulator style (involving subtractive manufacturing with metals). <br>
	Possibly even involving a lot of manual operation.		Possibly even involving a lot of manual operation.

			== Proposals as-is infeasability ==

	Practically this is not possible because of:		Practically this is not possible because of:
	* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.		* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.
	* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.		* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.
			Also:
			* Metals cease to be a good engineering material when going to smaller scales – See: [[Pure metals and metal alloys]]
			* Subtractive manufacturing ceases to be a good method when going to smaller scales.<br>Atomic granulatity and use of hard ceramic like nonmetallic materials are unsuitable for chipping.

	This approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>		This approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>
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	Using MEMS based scanning probe microscopes for positional assembly ...		Using MEMS based scanning probe microscopes for positional assembly ...
	* is a core part in the [[~~Direct~~ path]] for getting e.g. towards 3D [[PALE]] and		* is a core part in the [[direct path]] for getting e.g. towards 3D [[PALE]] and
	* may also be useful in the [[~~Incremental~~ path]] manipulating (/further assembling) bigger self assemblies positionally		* may also be useful in the [[incremental path]] manipulating (/further assembling) bigger self assemblies positionally

	== External links ==		== External links ==

Apm: Added section == Modifying the proposal == and added note on telepresence

2022-08-05T09:38:33Z

Added section == Modifying the proposal == and added note on telepresence

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	* Up: [[Pathways]]		* Up: [[Pathways]]

	The "Feynman path" is referring to a naive but immediately self suggesting approach to scale down manufacturing machinery containing saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.		The "Feynman path" is referring to a naive but immediately self suggesting approach to <br>
	~~And that by~~ making smaller machinery with bigger machinery and then use that smaller machinery to make even smaller machinery. Practically this is not possible because of:		scale down manufacturing machinery containing saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.

			The idea involves:
			* making smaller machinery with bigger machinery and then
			* use that smaller machinery to make even smaller machinery
			* take a few steps until you arrive at the atomic scale

			All that telepresence manipulator style. <br>
			Possibly even involving a lot of manual operation.

			Practically this is not possible because of:
	* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.		* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.
	* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.		* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.
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	in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>		in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>

	Richard Feynman ~~was~~ a brilliant as physicist and educator. <br>		Richard Feynman is widely considered a brilliant physicist and educator. <br>
	Had he conducted more serious investigations he surely would have ended up with similar results to what is in the book [[Nanosystems]].		Had he conducted more serious investigations he surely would have ended up with similar results to what is in the book [[Nanosystems]]. <br>
			Especially as he was a engineering leaning scientist.

	{{Wikitodo\|Put a citation of Richard Feynman's exact words here. It's in (part 1) of the external links below.}}		{{Wikitodo\|Put a citation of Richard Feynman's exact words here. It's in (part 1) of the external links below.}}

			== Modifying the proposal ==

			Actually there is one intermediary scale technology in existence that did not exist back in Feynman's times. <br>
			Microelectromechanical systems [[MEMS]]. <br>
			We don't make MEMS by telepresence micro-machining with tiny saws and drills but rather by etching and depositing though.

			Using MEMS based scanning probe microscopes for positional assembly ...
			* is a core part in the [[Direct path]] for getting e.g. towards 3D [[PALE]] and
			* may also be useful in the [[Incremental path]] manipulating (/further assembling) bigger self assemblies positionally

	== External links ==		== External links ==
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	* [[Pathways]]		* [[Pathways]]
	* [[~~Direct~~ path]]		* '''[[Incremental path]]'''
	* [[~~Incremental~~ path]]		* '''[[Direct path]]'''
	* [[Pathway controversy]]		* [[Pathway controversy]]
	* [[Richard Feynman]]		* [[Richard Feynman]]

Apm: /* Related / added link to Richard Feynman

2021-05-31T07:14:16Z

Related: added link to * Richard Feynman

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	* [[Incremental path]]		* [[Incremental path]]
	* [[Pathway controversy]]		* [[Pathway controversy]]
			* [[Richard Feynman]]

Apm: removed spurious "h"

2021-05-30T14:47:35Z

removed spurious "h"

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	* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.		* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.

	~~Thhis~~ approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>		This approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>
	in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>		in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>

Apm: improved intro

2021-05-30T14:47:17Z

improved intro

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	* Up: [[Pathways]]		* Up: [[Pathways]]

	The "Feynman path" is referring to a naive but immediately self suggesting ~~form of scaling~~ down saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.		The "Feynman path" is referring to a naive but immediately self suggesting approach to scale down manufacturing machinery containing saw blades and drills to the nanoscale.
	~~This~~ is infeasible. ~~It is called "~~Feynman ~~path"~~ because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>		And that by making smaller machinery with bigger machinery and then use that smaller machinery to make even smaller machinery. Practically this is not possible because of:
			* Saw blades and drills quickly becoming infeasible for smaller scales.
			* The multi material and semi manual complexity of our current day (and back then too) macroscale technology.

			Thhis approach has Feynman's name because this is how he formulated the then brand new idea of "nanotechnology" <br>
			in his famous talk "There is plenty of room at the bottom". <br>

	Richard Feynman was a brilliant as physicist and educator. <br>		Richard Feynman was a brilliant as physicist and educator. <br>

Apm at 14:40, 30 May 2021

2021-05-30T14:40:52Z

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	Had he conducted more serious investigations he surely would have ended up with similar results to what is in the book [[Nanosystems]].		Had he conducted more serious investigations he surely would have ended up with similar results to what is in the book [[Nanosystems]].

	{{Wikitodo\|Put a citation of Richard Feynman's exact words here}}		{{Wikitodo\|Put a citation of Richard Feynman's exact words here. It's in (part 1) of the external links below.}}

	== External links ==		== External links ==

Apm: /* External links */ made part 1 bold

2021-05-30T14:40:01Z

External links: made part 1 bold

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	* [http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?page_id=3326 Foresight Institute: Feynman Path to Nanotechnology]		* [http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?page_id=3326 Foresight Institute: Feynman Path to Nanotechnology]
	* Feynman’s Path to Nanotech [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3152 (part1)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3154 (part2)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3160 (part 3)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3163 (part 4)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3165 (part 5)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-6 (part 6)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-7 (part 7)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-8 (part 8)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-9 (part 9)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-10 (part 10)]		* Feynman’s Path to Nanotech '''[https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3152 (part1)]''' [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3154 (part2)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3160 (part 3)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3163 (part 4)] [https://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3165 (part 5)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-6 (part 6)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-7 (part 7)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-8 (part 8)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-9 (part 9)] [http://foresight.futurebrightdev.com/nanodot/feynmans-path-to-nanotech-part-10 (part 10)]

	* Someone took the suggestiuon quite literally: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIY_Ld_sqxk] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfhu0frLAI] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miTUIZnz_5w]		* Someone took the suggestiuon quite literally: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIY_Ld_sqxk] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfhu0frLAI] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miTUIZnz_5w]