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	'''Advanced [[mechanosynthesis]] can provide today's missing link of efficient chemomechanical conversion'''. This makes long term storage of huge amounts of energy possible. Additionally chemical energy is easier to transport than electrical energy - even today (oil tankers).		'''Advanced [[mechanosynthesis]] can provide today's missing link of efficient chemomechanical conversion'''. This makes long term storage of huge amounts of energy possible. Additionally chemical energy is easier to transport than electrical energy - even today (oil tankers).

	For ~~more details see:~~ [[~~Global scale energy management~~]]		== Limits ==

			Unlike other performance specs like transmittable power density.
			The energy density of chemical energy storage is (with gasoline and explosives as good examples) pretty much at it's limits with our current (2016) crude technology.

			Advanced atomically precise technology allows now forms of chemical energy storage that at the cost of slightly lower energy density are far safer and allow energy conversion efficiencies very near 100%.

			For energy densities higher than chemical only nuclear is possible.
			How and in how far advanced atomically precise technology may enable us using some nuclear physics as a bidirectional battery is very unclear at this moment (2016). See [[APM and nuclear technology]] for related highly speculative thoughts.

	== Related ==		== Related ==

	* [[Global scale energy management]]		* For more details see: [[Global scale energy management]]
	* [[Energy storage cell]]		* [[Energy storage cell]]
	* [[Chemomechanical converters]]		* [[Chemomechanical converters]]

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	* [[Global scale energy management]]		* [[Global scale energy management]]
			* [[Energy storage cell]]
			* [[Chemomechanical converters]]

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	For more details see: [[Global scale energy management]]		For more details see: [[Global scale energy management]]

			== Related ==

			* [[Global scale energy management]]

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			'''Advanced [[mechanosynthesis]] can provide today's missing link of efficient chemomechanical conversion'''. This makes long term storage of huge amounts of energy possible. Additionally chemical energy is easier to transport than electrical energy - even today (oil tankers).

	~~See~~: [[Global scale energy management]]		For more details see: [[Global scale energy management]]

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	~~== State of the art ==~~		See: [[Global scale energy management]]

	~~Today (2015) humankind still mainly uses fossile fuel for energy.~~
	~~In europe regenerative energy sources are on the rise and already provide some noticeable fraction of the energy.~~
	~~Regenerative energy faces several problems though.~~
	~~The main one is that current non atomically precise technology isn't capable of storing massive amounts of energy efficiently and durably at any location.~~
	~~Beside that for wind turbine generators currently big amounts of rare earth elements from mines in china are needed.~~
	~~Single- and poly-crystalline solar cells made from the abundant element silicon are still energy intensive in production and need aggressive chemical agents.~~
	Organic cells are in development which promise to reduce mass and production cost but they use the super scarce element indium in one of their electrodes and will extend the environmental plastic pollution problem if extensively deployed.

	~~== Energy management of nature and human (today and tomorrow) ==~~

	~~Lets look at how energy is managed by nature how humanity does it today and what would be a desirable state we want to move our energy management to.~~

	~~== Nature ==~~

	~~All energy originally stems from nuclear sources either the sun or radioactive decay in the earths core.~~
	The suns first converts nuclear to thermal energy (a thermonuclear conversion) and then the termal energy to photonic energy (a photothermal conversion - via Stefan Boltzmanns radiation law). On earth this photonic energy gets either captured by photosynthesis (a photochemical energy conversion - with a little hidden electrical intermediate step) or it gets converted back to heat again (again photothermal). This lower level heat may drive winds via pressure gradients (a thermomechanical conversion) and vaporize water (partially a thermoentropic conversion). Wind convections may then lift up water vapor and water droplets in clouds (a mechanogravitative conversion). When the water finally rains down and flows down rivers it is converted back to thermal energy that is so much devalutaed that it becomes practically unusable. At the end it is becomes irradiated as infrared light at night into the three kelvin cold space.

	~~A tiny bit of the chemical energy originally captured from plants (mentioned before) get converted to mechanical energy my the muscles of animals.~~

	~~== Human (today) ==~~

	Most of the energy we currently use is drawn from ancient hydrocarbon deposits of coal oil or gas that are located not very deep below the ground (if viewed relative to the total diameter of the earth).

	Starting from this source we create thermal energy by burning it (a '''very stupid''' chemothermal conversion where valuable free energy is devaluated into the irrecoverable fraction of thermal energy - bound energy) we then convert this thermal energy to mechanical energy via heat engines (a '''reversible''' thermomechanical conversion) where we are limited to carnough efficiency because of the stupid burning step we did before.

	We need to convert mechanical energy back and forth to electrical energy to transport it. While this electomechanical conversion works pretty well electrical energy isn't nearly as efficient transportable as chemical energy and needs large amounts of metals like rare copper and currently abundant but not cleanly producible aluminum. Furthermore and most problematically purely electrical storage devices like capacitors and inductors can't store large amounts of energy (except superconductor coils maybe - that are dirty to produce and use scarce elements and too expensive). There is the newly growing option of massive electochemical storage devices (that is rechargeable batteries) but they have limited efficiency. More importantly they use lithium that is mostly coming from a single salt sea in america. We might want to save that lithium for future fusion instead of diluting it in landfills and pollution of the environment with this uncommon alkali metal.

	Impounding reservoirs (using electromechanic and mechaogravitative energy conversion) where a good solution up till now but with the growing amount of regenerative energy they are starting to hit their limits and become uneconomic to use. New ones can't be made because of the massive destruction of land.

	~~=== Sidenote on hydrocarbons ===~~

	~~Many assume that a big part of fossil fuels was accumulated in the carbonifeous period (starting around 350mya) of earths history.~~
	~~Some people think that the evolutionary invention of lignin as structural support for land plants led to major pollution of the environment.~~
	~~Massive amounts of at that time undecomposable lignin accumulated. This only went on until the later evolutionary invention of lignin eating fungi.~~
	The accumulation of oxygen (an other biological waste product) in the atmosphere also made it harder for the accumulation of non volatile carbon rich organic matter since the atmosphere became more and more physically oxidative.
	Later formation of fossile fuel (Perm, Trias, Jura) needed underwater conditions to prevent oxidation. At some point (Kreide ending around 65mya) it stopped. There wheren't found any massive coal deposits younger than that.

	Carbon is a rather volatile element. Earths atmosphere may have been more like the one of Venus long ago. It may have been a high pressure carbon dioxide atmosphere. This speculative assumption can help explain the giant flying creatures in the times of the dinosaurs. Now practically all of the carbon is bound in minearls (e.g. calcium carbonate CaCO<sub>3</sub>) or as volatile substances encapsulated below the ground. It's still rather unclear how much carbon there is in the earths mantle.
	~~In contrast to Venus the presence of water helped to bind carbon into minerals to such a level that life could emerge and further bind the rest of it.~~
	~~Venus lacks water because of a lack of magnetosphere. Solar wind strips away free hydrogen from the upper atmosphere leaving only oxygen behind.~~
	~~The lack of a moon thick crust and the almost bond rotation might be reasons for Venus's lack of a magnetosphere (wild guess!).~~

	~~== Human (tomorrow) ==~~

	~~Energy gets harvested from the sun via thin and tear resistant carbon based solar cell foils that can be produced cheaply and waste free (a photoelectric energy conversion).~~

	~~=== From copper neodymium and dysprosium to carbon only ===~~

	~~Instead of generators with rare earth magnets and copper coils wind-power-generators can use carbon based [[shearing drive]]s devoid of elements that are not extremely abundant. Sail like~~ [[~~Medium movers]] used in reverse may also work well and save the live of birds.~~

	~~The generated electric~~ energy ~~gets then converted to mechanical energy via nenoelectrostatic generators (electromechanic conversion).~~

	~~=== A solution for the energy storage problem ===~~

	~~Finally the mechanical energy can be converted back and forth efficiently via mechanosynthetic means.~~
	In this form energy becomes much more convenient to store and also to transport making forests of high-voltage transmission towers and their lossy heat and stray field emitting high voltage lines obsolete. They'll be replaced by some form of advanced chemical [[energy transmission]].


	~~This chemomechanical energy conversion is the most severely missing link in todays technology. A point were atomically precise technology will have severe impact.~~

	~~=== Notes ===~~

	~~A photomechanical or photochemical energy conversion shortcut may be possible but might not be as efficient as a multi-step conversion.~~
	~~Storing energy entropically instead of chemically is safer (freezing on accident) but might be not as efficient.~~

	~~Fusion power is an inherent macroscopic technology. Many new metamaterial subtechnologies might help to making fusion energy commercially viable.~~
	In light of the abundance of solar energy the fact that nuclear spills cant even be cleaned up effectively with advanced atomically precise technology and the coming accessibility of (already radioactive) space we might want to ban nuclear energy entirely from earth and use it only where we really need it the dark outer regions of the solar system.

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	Energy gets harvested from the sun via thin and tear resistant carbon based solar cell foils that can be produced cheaply and waste free (a photoelectric energy conversion).		Energy gets harvested from the sun via thin and tear resistant carbon based solar cell foils that can be produced cheaply and waste free (a photoelectric energy conversion).

	Instead of generators with rare earth magnets and copper coils wind-power-generators can use carbon based [[shearing drive]]s devoid of elements that are not extremely abundant. [[Medium movers]] used in reverse may also work well.		=== From copper neodymium and dysprosium to carbon only ===

			Instead of generators with rare earth magnets and copper coils wind-power-generators can use carbon based [[shearing drive]]s devoid of elements that are not extremely abundant. Sail like [[Medium movers]] used in reverse may also work well and save the live of birds.

	The generated electric energy gets then converted to mechanical energy via nenoelectrostatic generators (electromechanic conversion).		The generated electric energy gets then converted to mechanical energy via nenoelectrostatic generators (electromechanic conversion).

			=== A solution for the energy storage problem ===

	Finally the mechanical energy can be converted back and forth efficiently via mechanosynthetic means.		Finally the mechanical energy can be converted back and forth efficiently via mechanosynthetic means.
	In this form energy becomes much more convenient to store and also to transport making forests of high-voltage transmission towers and their lossy heat and stray field emitting high voltage lines obsolete. ~~Tey~~'ll be replaced by some form of advanced chemical [[energy transmission]].		In this form energy becomes much more convenient to store and also to transport making forests of high-voltage transmission towers and their lossy heat and stray field emitting high voltage lines obsolete. They'll be replaced by some form of advanced chemical [[energy transmission]].


	This chemomechanical energy conversion is the most severely missing link in todays technology. A point were atomically precise technology will have severe impact.		This chemomechanical energy conversion is the most severely missing link in todays technology. A point were atomically precise technology will have severe impact.

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	== State of the art ==		== State of the art ==

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	== Human (tomorrow) ==		== Human (tomorrow) ==

	...		Energy gets harvested from the sun via thin and tear resistant carbon based solar cell foils that can be produced cheaply and waste free (a photoelectric energy conversion).

			Instead of generators with rare earth magnets and copper coils wind-power-generators can use carbon based [[shearing drive]]s devoid of elements that are not extremely abundant. [[Medium movers]] used in reverse may also work well.

			The generated electric energy gets then converted to mechanical energy via nenoelectrostatic generators (electromechanic conversion).
			Finally the mechanical energy can be converted back and forth efficiently via mechanosynthetic means.
			In this form energy becomes much more convenient to store and also to transport making forests of high-voltage transmission towers and their lossy heat and stray field emitting high voltage lines obsolete. Tey'll be replaced by some form of advanced chemical [[energy transmission]].
			This chemomechanical energy conversion is the most severely missing link in todays technology. A point were atomically precise technology will have severe impact.

			=== Notes ===

			A photomechanical or photochemical energy conversion shortcut may be possible but might not be as efficient as a multi-step conversion.
			Storing energy entropically instead of chemically is safer (freezing on accident) but might be not as efficient.

			Fusion power is an inherent macroscopic technology. Many new metamaterial subtechnologies might help to making fusion energy commercially viable.
			In light of the abundance of solar energy the fact that nuclear spills cant even be cleaned up effectively with advanced atomically precise technology and the coming accessibility of (already radioactive) space we might want to ban nuclear energy entirely from earth and use it only where we really need it the dark outer regions of the solar system.

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	=== Sidenote on hydrocarbons ===		=== Sidenote on hydrocarbons ===

	~~Some~~ assume that a big part of fossil fuels was accumulated in the carbonifeous period of earths history.		Many assume that a big part of fossil fuels was accumulated in the carbonifeous period (starting around 350mya) of earths history.
	~~It is thought~~ that the evolutionary invention of lignin as structural support for land plants led to major pollution of the environment.		Some people think that the evolutionary invention of lignin as structural support for land plants led to major pollution of the environment.
	Massive amounts of at that time undecomposable lignin accumulated.		Massive amounts of at that time undecomposable lignin accumulated. This only went on until the later evolutionary invention of lignin eating fungi.
	This only went on until the later evolutionary invention of lignin eating fungi ~~and till~~ the ~~point where~~ atmosphere ~~got oxygen~~ rich and physically oxidative.		The accumulation of oxygen (an other biological waste product) in the atmosphere also made it harder for the accumulation of non volatile carbon rich organic matter since the atmosphere became more and more physically oxidative.
	Later formation (Jura) needed underwater conditions to prevent oxidation.		Later formation of fossile fuel (Perm, Trias, Jura) needed underwater conditions to prevent oxidation. At some point (Kreide ending around 65mya) it stopped. There wheren't found any massive coal deposits younger than that.

			Carbon is a rather volatile element. Earths atmosphere may have been more like the one of Venus long ago. It may have been a high pressure carbon dioxide atmosphere. This speculative assumption can help explain the giant flying creatures in the times of the dinosaurs. Now practically all of the carbon is bound in minearls (e.g. calcium carbonate CaCO<sub>3</sub>) or as volatile substances encapsulated below the ground. It's still rather unclear how much carbon there is in the earths mantle.
			In contrast to Venus the presence of water helped to bind carbon into minerals to such a level that life could emerge and further bind the rest of it.
			Venus lacks water because of a lack of magnetosphere. Solar wind strips away free hydrogen from the upper atmosphere leaving only oxygen behind.
			The lack of a moon thick crust and the almost bond rotation might be reasons for Venus's lack of a magnetosphere (wild guess!).

	== Human (tomorrow) ==		== Human (tomorrow) ==

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	== Human (today) ==		== Human (today) ==

	Most of the energy we currently use is drawn from ancient hydrocarbon deposits of coal oil or gas that are located not very deep below the ground (if viewed relative to the total ~~thickness~~ of the ~~earths crust~~). ~~It is commonly assumed that this stuff was accumulated in the carbonifeous period of earths history.~~		Most of the energy we currently use is drawn from ancient hydrocarbon deposits of coal oil or gas that are located not very deep below the ground (if viewed relative to the total diameter of the earth).
	It is thought that the evolutionary invention of lignin as structural support for land plants led to major pollution of the environment with massive amounts of at that time undecomposable lignin. This only went on until the later evolutionary invention of lignin eating fungi.
	~~There wheren't any more hydrocarbons produced ever since and there won't be produced any time in the future. ['''todo''': add link]~~

	Starting from this source we create thermal energy by burning it (a '''very stupid''' chemothermal conversion where valuable free energy is devaluated into the irrecoverable fraction of thermal energy - bound energy) we then convert this thermal energy to mechanical energy via heat engines (a '''reversible''' thermomechanical conversion) where we are limited to carnough efficiency because of the stupid burning step we did before.		Starting from this source we create thermal energy by burning it (a '''very stupid''' chemothermal conversion where valuable free energy is devaluated into the irrecoverable fraction of thermal energy - bound energy) we then convert this thermal energy to mechanical energy via heat engines (a '''reversible''' thermomechanical conversion) where we are limited to carnough efficiency because of the stupid burning step we did before.
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	=== Sidenote on hydrocarbons ===		=== Sidenote on hydrocarbons ===

	...		Some assume that a big part of fossil fuels was accumulated in the carbonifeous period of earths history.
			It is thought that the evolutionary invention of lignin as structural support for land plants led to major pollution of the environment.
			Massive amounts of at that time undecomposable lignin accumulated.
			This only went on until the later evolutionary invention of lignin eating fungi and till the point where atmosphere got oxygen rich and physically oxidative.
			Later formation (Jura) needed underwater conditions to prevent oxidation.

	== Human (tomorrow) ==		== Human (tomorrow) ==

	...		...