Atmospheric mesh - Revision history

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	== Related ==		== Related ==

	* [[Robust metamaterial balloon]]		* '''[[Robust metamaterial balloon]]'''
	* [[~~global~~ scale energy management]]		* [[Global scale energy management]]
	* [[~~energy~~ extraction]]		* [[Energy extraction]]
	* [[~~geoengineering~~]]		* [[Geoengineering]]
	* [[~~geoengineering~~ mesh]]		* [[Geoengineering mesh]]
	----		----
	* [[Stratospheric mirror airships]]		* [[Stratospheric mirror airships]]

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			* [[Robust metamaterial balloon]]
	* [[global scale energy management]]		* [[global scale energy management]]
	* [[energy extraction]]		* [[energy extraction]]

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	Hypothetical airmeshes are based on [[robust metamaterial balloons]] based on [[gemstone metamaterial technology]]. <br>		Hypothetical airmeshes are based on [[robust metamaterial balloons]] based on [[gemstone metamaterial technology]]. <br>
	An airmesh is basically a three dimensional mesh network out of vacuum balloon metamaterial floating in the sky <br>		An airmesh is basically a three dimensional mesh network out of [[Robust metamaterial balloon\|vacuum balloon metamaterial]] floating in the sky <br>
	that is kept stationary with respect to the ground by active means. Not by many the connection points to the ground. <br>		that is kept stationary with respect to the ground by active means. Not by many the connection points to the ground. <br>
	The connection points are not counter-force providing anchors in the sense of fixing a thing to a place! <br>		The connection points are not counter-force providing anchors in the sense of fixing a thing to a place! <br>

Apm at 09:28, 27 June 2023

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	[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people. The integrated transport tube is way thinner than the lifting tube. Don't ask me what the thing on the top is. It may be too advanced for our current level of understanding.]]		[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people. The integrated transport tube is way thinner than the lifting tube. Don't ask me what the thing on the top is. It may be too advanced for our current level of understanding.]]
	[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond. '''These ground connection points are not anchors! Wind-load forces would be to big. Wind-load forces need to be compensated locally with integrated active systems.''']]		[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond. '''These ground connection points are not counter-force providing anchors! Wind-load forces would be to big. Wind-load forces need to be compensated locally with integrated active systems.''']]

	Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".		Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".
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	An airmesh is basically a three dimensional mesh network out of vacuum balloon metamaterial floating in the sky <br>		An airmesh is basically a three dimensional mesh network out of vacuum balloon metamaterial floating in the sky <br>
	that is kept stationary with respect to the ground by active means. Not by many the connection points to the ground. <br>		that is kept stationary with respect to the ground by active means. Not by many the connection points to the ground. <br>
	The connection points are not anchors in the sense of fixing a thing to a place! <br>		The connection points are not counter-force providing anchors in the sense of fixing a thing to a place! <br>

	== No loads on the ground connection points – they are not anchors ==		== No loads on the ground connection points – they are not anchors ==

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	'''The point of ground-connections is not to anchor and counter wind-loads. That would not be physically possible.''' <br>		'''The point of ground-connections is not to anchor and counter wind-loads. That would not be physically possible.''' <br>
	'''The point of ground-connection-points is to provide channels for transport of energy and things in and out of the system.'''		'''The point of ground-connection-points is to provide channels for transport of energy and things in and out of the system.'''

	~~{{wikitodo\|Find a better alternative for the very misleading word anchor here. Done: ground-connection-point}}~~

	Air meshes quite thick (but wind-cloaked) "air-swimming" cables could be called "airmesh filaments".<br>		Air meshes quite thick (but wind-cloaked) "air-swimming" cables could be called "airmesh filaments".<br>

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	[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]		[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people. The integrated transport tube is way thinner than the lifting tube. Don't ask me what the thing on the top is. It may be too advanced for our current level of understanding.]]
	[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond. '''These ground connection points are not anchors! Wind-load forces would be to big. Wind-load forces need to be compensated locally with integrated active systems.''']]		[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond. '''These ground connection points are not anchors! Wind-load forces would be to big. Wind-load forces need to be compensated locally with integrated active systems.''']]

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	[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]		[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]
	[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond.]]		[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond. '''These ground connection points are not anchors! Wind-load forces would be to big. Wind-load forces need to be compensated locally with integrated active systems.''']]

	Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".		Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".

Apm: added second image showing deployment from ground connection points

2023-06-25T12:37:47Z

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	[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]		[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]
			[[File:Aerial-mesh-deployment.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Image AI interpretation of the deployment process of a small scale test atmospheric mesh. Deployed is parallel in a grid of ground connection points. Eventually the pillars will merge and form a truss that then eerily looms high up in mid air. Eventually bigger structures will reach all the way up to the top of the troposphere and a bit beyond.]]

	Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".		Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".

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			[[File:Tube-in-the-sky.jpeg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|A tube in the sky with sufficient volume of [[robust metamaterial balloon]] material to suspend itself mid air and active local windload countermeasures (not visible). It could server many purposes including even transport for people.]]

	Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".		Also "aerial mesh" or "airmesh".

Apm: replaced misleading anchor terminology with ground-connection-point and a some more updates

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	Basically (and perhaps surprisingly) one can use a wind-speed-gradient as energy source to move against the wind equal or faster than the wind <br>		Basically (and perhaps surprisingly) one can use a wind-speed-gradient as energy source to move against the wind equal or faster than the wind <br>
	without needing any counter-force providing anchor points to the ground. <br>		without needing any counter-force providing anchor points to the ground. <br>
	Thus '''an atmospheric mesh can keep it's ~~"anchor"~~ points near load free''' so long the <br>		Thus '''an atmospheric mesh can keep it's ground-connection-points near load free''' so long the <br>
	(hopefully extremely reliable) active structures performing that task (technology so advanced it seems like magic) remain operational.		(hopefully extremely reliable) active structures performing that task (technology so advanced it seems like magic) remain operational.

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	It might be desirable to design airmeshes such that they can be climbed in some way. <br>		It might be desirable to design airmeshes such that they can be climbed in some way. <br>
	Ultra lightweight elevators could be put into the ground ~~anchors~~ going up the center of the floating translucent tubes.		Ultra lightweight elevators could be put into the ground grond-connector-points going up the center of the floating translucent tubes.

	== Survival of wind loads ==		== Survival of wind loads ==
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	* Plus wind loads do not scale linearly with the wind-speed		* Plus wind loads do not scale linearly with the wind-speed
	* Plus Earth climate occasionally has really bad storms in store		* Plus Earth climate occasionally has really bad storms in store
	* Plus all the force sums up down at the anchor points		* Plus (without any active structure counteraction) all the force sums up down at the anchor points

	Gem gum metamaterials allow for making lighter than air materials that, when overloaded, reversibly fold up their micro-to-nano structure.		Gem gum metamaterials allow for making lighter than air materials that, when overloaded, reversibly fold up their micro-to-nano structure.
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	Using wind power to move against the wind is possible. Sailships and ventomobiles do so. <br>		Using wind power to move against the wind is possible. Sailships and ventomobiles do so. <br>
	~~But it won't reduce the forces on the anchor points. <br>~~		It allows the structure to keep itself in a "nominal" position. <br>
	~~At least it~~ allows the structure to keep itself in a "nominal" position. <br>
	E.g. a straight vertical despite a sideways wind. <br>		E.g. a straight vertical despite a sideways wind. <br>
	A straight grid with no visible deflections from the wind would look physics defyingly strange and counter-intuitive.		A straight grid with no visible deflections from the wind would look physics defyingly strange and counter-intuitive.
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	'''Roads in the sky.''' Continuing the super wild speculations here. <br>		'''Roads in the sky.''' Continuing the super wild speculations here. <br>
	'''The advantage over just flying is avoiding the inefficient use of air for propulsion.''' <br>		'''The advantage over just flying is avoiding the inefficient use of air for propulsion.''' <br>
	That is: One can avoid getting thrust by moving air and instead push against the solid that is ~~consituted~~ by the ~~(ground anchored)~~ atmospheric mesh.		That is: One can avoid getting thrust by moving air and instead push against the solid that is constituted by the atmospheric mesh.

	Then again the aerial mesh you push against may in turn push air to keep itself stationary. <br>		Then again the aerial mesh you push against may in turn push air to keep itself stationary. <br>
	As providing all counter-forces by the ground ~~anchor~~ points is not physically possible in all but very low wind situations. <br>		As providing all counter-forces by the ground-connection-points is not physically possible in all but very low wind situations. <br>
	But this zero relative speed across much larger surface area air-pushing thing may be doable quite a bit more efficiently.		But this zero relative speed across much larger surface area air-pushing thing may be doable quite a bit more efficiently.

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	Imagine a big fat tube in the sky as lighter-than-air lifting structure. <br>		Imagine a big fat tube in the sky as lighter-than-air lifting structure. <br>
	This tube (an instance of a [[robust metamaterial balloon]]) is anchoring a capsule transport system situated below. <br>		This suspended tube (an instance of a [[robust metamaterial balloon]]) is anchoring a capsule transport system situated right below. <br>
	Unlike in a rope-way/cable-car there is a fractal suspension below such that <br>		Unlike in a rope-way/cable-car there is a fractal suspension below such that <br>
	the capsules do not move along arcs but rather along a straight line allowing much higher speeds. <br>		the capsules do not move along arcs but rather along a straight line allowing much higher speeds. <br>
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	* One will want to loose as little ground surface as possible		* One will want to loose as little ground surface as possible

	~~Anchor~~ points for aerial meshes for urban transport need to be capable of lifting transport capsules up. <br>		Ground-connection-points for aerial meshes for urban transport need to be capable of lifting transport capsules up. <br>

	One may save ground area by foregoing the big fat lifting tube structures near ground level. <br>		One may save ground area by foregoing the big fat lifting tube structures near ground level. <br>
	One gets heavier then air structures for the atmospheric transport mesh ~~anchor and~~ access points. <br>		One gets heavier then air structures for the atmospheric transport mesh ground connecting access points. <br>
	This increases may to some degree increase the risk of things coming crashing down in a catastrophic scenario. Perhaps not worth it.<br>		This increases may to some degree increase the risk of things coming crashing down in a catastrophic scenario. Perhaps not worth it.<br>
	Perhaps better to have a thick lighter than air metamaterial balloon structures all the way down to the ground.		Perhaps better to have a thick lighter than air metamaterial balloon structures all the way down to the ground.
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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==

	Static aerial meshes are at all times anchored to the ground (abiding the [[mobility prevention guideline]] at unusually large scales).		Static aerial meshes are at all times virtually anchored to the ground (abiding the [[mobility prevention guideline]] at unusually large scales). <r>
			Virtually anchored meany by mans of active structures in the mesh. <br>

	'''The point of ~~anchoring~~ is not ~~countering~~ wind-loads. That would not be physically possible.''' <br>		'''The point of ground-connections is not to anchor and counter wind-loads. That would not be physically possible.''' <br>
	'''The point of ~~anchoring~~ is to channels for transport of energy and things in and out of the system.'''		'''The point of ground-connection-points is to provide channels for transport of energy and things in and out of the system.'''

	{{wikitodo\|Find a better alternative for the very misleading word anchor here.}}		{{wikitodo\|Find a better alternative for the very misleading word anchor here. Done: ground-connection-point}}

	~~=== Balloons and lines is a bad idea ===~~		Air meshes quite thick (but wind-cloaked) "air-swimming" cables could be called "airmesh filaments".<br>

	~~One could use non-floating anchoring lines to anchor inter-meshed floating lift balloons but this isn't very safe. <br>~~
	~~When an accidentally ripped off cable falls down it could create heavy damage. <br>~~
	~~A better solution may be to connect everything with~~ quite thick (but wind-cloaked) "air-swimming" cables ~~let's call them~~ "~~air~~ filaments".<br>
	{{todo\|Investigate how big these need to be in diameter for a) lifting themselves b) lifting a [[mechanical energy transmission cables\|chemomechanical powerline]] and c) lifting an elevator}}		{{todo\|Investigate how big these need to be in diameter for a) lifting themselves b) lifting a [[mechanical energy transmission cables\|chemomechanical powerline]] and c) lifting an elevator}}